By Jon BrownChristian Post Reporter Wednesday, April 17, 2024

Pastor Doug Wilson said during a recent interview with Tucker Carlson that there are no political solutions to America's problems, and that the Gospel is the only hope for America and any other nation.

Wilson, who pastors Christ Church in Moscow, Idaho, also claimed that many of America's current rulers have satanic ambitions to be like God, and that prominent evangelicals like Russell Moore and David French function as tools of the radical Left because they are too concerned with appeasing the cultural elite.

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While a an hour's conversation that aired Monday on Carlson's online platform, the two opened their discussion by addressing the cultural firestorm over so-called “Christian nationalism,” which the former Fox News host asked him to define.

Wilson observed how progressive secularists are broadening the definition of Christian nationalism to include even those who simply believe their rights come from God, which he noted is a label that would apply to Thomas Jefferson. He recalled that Politico journalist Heidi Przybyla defined the term earlier this year as anyone who believes “that our rights as Americans, as all people, do not come from any earthly authority.”

Wilson, who recently wrote Mere Christianity: The Case for Bringing Christianity Back into Modern Culturetraced the turmoil over Christian nationalism to the same attitude that had prevailed since the days when Christians in Rome were thrown to the lions for asserting the exclusive claims of Christ by refusing to confess Caesar as Lord.

The current rulers of America “do not believe in God,” they believe in the devil, Wilson asserted, adding that they exhibit the same ambition of Satan to assume divine power, which was the temptation he offered in the Garden of Eden.

“If there is no God above the state, the state is a god. The state becomes a god, and it assumes the prerogatives of a deity,” Wilson explained, noting how government authorities increasingly control their own citizens in an apparent desire to assert total control.

“They want to control absolutely everything, every key,” he continued. “They want to control everything because they aspire to deity. The reason they aspire to deity is because they don't recognize any god above them.”

For Wilson, a Christian nationalist is someone who, like the Christians in Rome, is not afraid to answer the question of whose god in the pantheon is supreme.

“The Christian nationalist is the one who is ready to answer that question, and speaking into the microphone: the true God, the living God, the one who exists”, he said.

Wilson also characterized a Christian nationalist as someone who rejects both tribalism and globalism, and believes that the structure and laws of a nation—which are, by definition, “imposed morality”—should “conform to the things that God wills and not to the things that man. wants.”

As the Christian beliefs that once dominated American culture are breaking down under secularism and the influx of immigrants with various religious assumptions, Wilson warned that the long-standing American system, which was sustainable under a “common moral agreement”, threatens to devolve into “anarchy”. and disruption.”

He also stated that there is no political way to restore a system based on Christian presuppositions in a nation that is no longer Christian, and that because America suffers from a disease both “radical” and “spiritual”, it can only exist. spiritual resource.

“Basically, we are in such a mess that there is no political solution, okay? We are beyond hope. There is no political solution. The next election, no matter how happy it makes us for 10 minutes, is not going to solve everything,” he continued .

Returning America to a Christian worldview is a responsibility that falls on preachers “who will stop being ashamed of the name of Jesus, and preach the Gospel as if it should be spread in the streets after the service,” he said.

Wilson said that the United States must repent of the arrogance that manifests itself as “the radical disease of secularism”, the central sin of which he claimed is the idea “that we can establish agnosticism or atheism as the official faith of the country and govern ourselves decently without reference to God.”

“That is radically false,” he said.

Regarding America's “huge secular experiment,” Wilson noted that it failed so completely that it reached “a point where they don't know what a girl is.”

While acknowledging his belief that “there is no political hope,” the pastor said “that doesn't mean there is no hope.” He pointed to other dark periods in history when the Gospel turned the tide, such as the Reformation or the revival that transformed 18th century England with the preaching of George Whitefield and the Wesleys.

Wilson said he hopes increasing numbers of Christians have “awakened” to the serious state of affairs in recent years, especially since the COVID-19 pandemic, during which many pastors have “fallen” when faced with government edicts closing their churches

Wilson's own church did national headlines when three parishioners were arrested during an outdoor psalm-singing protest outside Moscow City Hall in September 2020. They were handcuffed and taken to a county jail for allegedly not distancing themselves adequately on the small yellow dots authorities placed on the ground for them as guidance. The three sued the city and received a $300,000 settlement last summer

Carlson later brought up Russell Moore and David French, noting that they apparently “go out of their way” to attack Wilson, to which he responded by claiming that they and Christians like them are allowing themselves to be used by their secularist enemies.

“What they want to do is they want to operate in the secular republic, and they want a place at the table; they want to be treated with respect,” he said. “And in return, they say, 'We will treat all opposing views with respect, and what we ask is that you treat us with respect, and we would like a seat at the table, please.'

“I have no illusions about this. When we're all rounded up and sent off in cattle cars to the camps, David French and Russell Moore will be in the next car there,” Wilson said, to which Carlson added, “I think they'll be watching you.”

Wilson concluded the interview by explaining the optimism he draws from his postmillennial eschatology, which he said teaches the ultimate triumph of Christ over the kingdom of this world.

Acknowledging how many individual Christians become discouraged, observing with their limited perspective what appears to be a losing battle, he compared them to a soldier on D-Day who feels hopelessly trapped in a sand dune under heavy enemy fire, unaware of the greater victory. place around him.

“He could be greatly discouraged by his position, while at the same moment, General Eisenhower is looking at the map with satisfaction,” Wilson said.

“So we have great hope that the Gospel in its power will be proclaimed and take root and blossom,” added Wilson. “So, we might lose our lives. You know, you can lose your life in a winning battle, right? A soldier on the winning side can lose in his little segment. But that's all right, because Christ is Lord.”